THE PODCAST FOR AEC MARKETERS

The PSM Show is the podcast for AEC marketers, business developers, leaders, technical staff, consultants, and clients who want to peek behind the curtain on what makes great architecture, engineering, construction, and specialty firms tick. While the focus is usually marketing and business development, we don’t shy away from the burning or difficult topics that affect our industry. We seek out practical advice from people who are making magic or making waves, with the intent of helping you make it all work better and easier.

Season 4: Episode 5 – Rerun: Why Joy Is a Leadership Strategy, Not a Soft Skill feat. Nicole Van Valen

In an industry built on deadlines, pursuits, and constant pressure, resilience is often framed as grit and endurance. But what if that mindset is actually driving burnout?

In this episode of The PSM Show, Deirdre Booth sits down with Nicole Van Valen, founder of Keen Insights and author of The Joyful Leader, to reframe how AEC firms think about resilience, leadership, and performance. Drawing from her background as a licensed marriage and family therapist and corporate leader, Nicole explains why joy is not a perk or personality trait, but a practical tool that supports focus, steadiness, and long-term sustainability.

The conversation explores how AEC marketers and business development professionals can regulate stress in high-pressure environments, why middle managers play a critical role in shaping culture, and how tools like the Ready, Set, Go model and the Joy Menu help teams reset without stepping away from their responsibilities.

This episode offers grounded, actionable insights for leaders who want to protect their people, strengthen trust, and build teams that can perform consistently over the long game.

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Season 4: Episode 4 – AMA: Getting Seller-Doers to Buy In Without Overstepping feat. Rachel Charlton

This episode is an Ask Me Anything with Rachel Charlton of Sticky Communications, and the questions go straight to the stuff AEC marketers deal with in real rooms.

We talk about what buy-in actually is, why it rarely shows up “as a stage” in the pursuit process, and how marketers build credibility with technical teams before the fire drill starts. From interview prep and slide strategy to role clarity and change management, we break down what it looks like to lead with the client’s perspective, build a coalition inside the firm, and move ideas forward without turning every meeting into a fight.

You’ll hear practical guidance for marketers working in both consultant and in-house roles, plus the mindset shifts that help you stay steady under pressure, create momentum, and increase influence long before the room fills up.

In this episode, we cover:

Why buy-in is a cultural condition, not a pursuit phase

How to build a coalition (and why champions matter)

The difference between being a producer and being a partner

What to do when your message isn’t landing in the room

Interview prep realities: storytelling first, slides second

Role clarity, decision rights, and why chaos shows up

Why “voice of the client” is the most powerful seat in the room

Three takeaways: influence, environment, and clarity

Guest: Rachel Charlton, Founder, Sticky Communications

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Season 4: Episode 3 – Tell Me More: Empathy, Headlines, and the Stories Firms Choose feat. Joel Hoekstra

When the world feels heavy, polished stories stop working. The ones that land are the honest ones — the ones that start with trouble.

In this episode of The PSM Show, hosts Damion Morris and Deirdre Booth sit down with writer and strategist Joel Hoekstra for a “pull up a chair” conversation about why the best AEC stories don’t begin with brilliance or technical expertise — they begin with friction, uncertainty, and what wasn’t working. Joel shares how he helps marketers draw human-centered narratives out of highly technical subject matter experts, why empathy consistently beats perfection, and how the stories a firm tells (or avoids) reveal its values, culture, and client experience.

You’ll hear practical ways to get past “it’s just what we do,” including a simple interviewing move that unlocks better detail, better clarity, and better trust: “Tell me more.” Joel also breaks down why headlines matter more than most firms think, how scannable structure (subheads, bullets, formatting) increases impact, and how to build reusable story “toolkits” that support proposals without relying on boilerplate.

Plus, Joel introduces his START Story Formula — a clear framework marketers can use to shape case studies, Q&A prep, and project profiles:
Situation → Trouble → Action → Result → Transformation
Because the ribbon-cutting is a result — but what changes six months later is the transformation people actually remember.

Guest bio: Joel Hoekstra
Joel is a Minnesota-based content-marketing strategist and writer who helps design firms tell client-centric stories that win work. He has held marketing-communications roles at several architecture firms in Minneapolis and has written extensively about design and architecture for such publications as Metropolis, This Old House, RIBA Journal, ARCHITECT, BUILDER, and American Craft.
Learn more about Joel and sign up for his monthly newsletter at joelhoekstra.net.
Follow him on Linked in at https://www.linkedin.com/in/joelchoekstra/

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Season 4: Episode 2 – RERUN: Where Strategy Meets Action feat. James Hatch

What does strategy really look like inside a construction firm that wants to grow on purpose, not by accident?

In this episode of the PSM Show, host Damion Morris talks with James Hatch, Chief Strategy Officer at Kovac Building Enclosures, one of the top glazing contractors in the country. James shares how his path through architecture, estimating, finance, and business development shaped the way he leads strategy today – and why he sees the CSO as the “agent of change” inside the firm.

They dig into what it takes to keep the “periscope above the water,” choose the right pursuits, and build a culture that supports change instead of resisting it. Along the way, James talks candidly about Kovac’s shift from private equity to employee ownership, why authenticity matters more than polish, and what emerging leaders should practice now if they are drawn to the work of strategy.

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Season 4: Episode 1 – PSM Unscripted: Starting the Year with Perspective

In this unscripted conversation, Deirdre Booth and Damion Morris step away from the usual format and start the year with an honest check-in. They talk candidly about growth, ambition, balance, connection, leadership, and what changes when career wins stop being the only measure of success.

This episode sets the tone for the season ahead with real reflection, lived experience, and the kind of perspective that comes from years in the industry and life beyond the job title.

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Season 3: Episode 19 – Why Joy Is a Leadership Strategy, Not a Soft Skill

In an industry built on deadlines, pursuits, and constant pressure, resilience is often framed as grit and endurance. But what if that mindset is actually driving burnout?

In this episode of The PSM Show, Deirdre Booth sits down with Nicole Van Valen, founder of Keen Insights and author of The Joyful Leader, to reframe how AEC firms think about resilience, leadership, and performance. Drawing from her background as a licensed marriage and family therapist and corporate leader, Nicole explains why joy is not a perk or personality trait, but a practical tool that supports focus, steadiness, and long-term sustainability.

The conversation explores how AEC marketers and business development professionals can regulate stress in high-pressure environments, why middle managers play a critical role in shaping culture, and how tools like the Ready, Set, Go model and the Joy Menu help teams reset without stepping away from their responsibilities.

This episode offers grounded, actionable insights for leaders who want to protect their people, strengthen trust, and build teams that can perform consistently over the long game.

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Season 3: Episode 18 – Where Strategy Meets Action

What does strategy really look like inside a construction firm that wants to grow on purpose, not by accident?

In this episode of the PSM Show, host Damion Morris talks with James Hatch, Chief Strategy Officer at Kovac Building Enclosures, one of the top glazing contractors in the country. James shares how his path through architecture, estimating, finance, and business development shaped the way he leads strategy today – and why he sees the CSO as the “agent of change” inside the firm.

They dig into what it takes to keep the “periscope above the water,” choose the right pursuits, and build a culture that supports change instead of resisting it. Along the way, James talks candidly about Kovac’s shift from private equity to employee ownership, why authenticity matters more than polish, and what emerging leaders should practice now if they are drawn to the work of strategy.

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Season 3: Episode 17 – Generalist to Strategist: The Evolving Role of AEC Marketers

Hosts Deirdre Booth and Damion Morris dig into why AEC marketing roles have stretched across design, writing, coordination, and strategy, and why that model is shifting. They unpack findings referenced from SMPS research, lessons from recent pursuits, and how private equity, data, AI, and client experience are changing expectations. Hear practical ways teams can organize around five core functions, build true strategic capacity, and connect marketing to revenue and reputation.

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Season 3: Episode 15 – Talent and Technology in AEC Marketing

AEC marketing and business development are changing fast. In this episode, Deirdre Booth talks with Scott Butcher of Stambaugh Ness about what is reshaping the work today and what leaders need next. They cover the talent crunch, the “missing middle,” and why environmental scanning belongs in every plan. They discuss practical uses of AI, how early adopters are already productizing tools, and what happens when firms delay. Scott makes the case for true marketing leadership at the table, not just a new title, and offers a six month playbook that focuses on three use cases for AI, stronger BD and marketing alignment, and a habit of testing and learning. The conversation closes with clear risks of waiting, including loss of relevance and recruiting challenges, and a reminder that agility wins when conditions shift.

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Season 3: Episode 14 – The Business of Client Experience with Tim Asimos

Client experience is more than good service. In this episode of the PSM Show, Damien Morris and Deirdre Booth talk with Tim Amos, CPSM and Head of Growth at Client Savvy, about how AEC firms can design and manage client experiences that create measurable business results.

Tim shares his journey from in-house marketing to leading CX strategy and explains why repeat business does not always equal loyalty. He introduces practical ways to measure client sentiment, including Net Promoter Score and share of spend, and describes how firms can use feedback to inform go/no-go decisions, increase profitability, and strengthen retention.

For marketers, this conversation shows how CX can open the door to leadership. Small wins such as mapping the proposal process or implementing a client feedback program can build momentum and demonstrate the connection between marketing strategy and firm performance.

The discussion also highlights findings from the SMPS Foundation’s research on CX in the AEC industry. Listeners will gain a clear view of how intentional client experience shapes reputation, growth, and long-term success.

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Season 3: Episode 13 – Strategic Planning That Works in AEC

In this episode of The PSM Show, co-host Damion Morris welcomes Allison Tivnon, strategic advisor, author, and City Councilor for Beaverton, Oregon. Allison has spent nearly two decades guiding AEC firms through the complexities of marketing, planning, and leadership.

Damion and Allison explore why so many strategic plans lose momentum after the retreat and how to create alignment that lasts. They discuss the importance of involving marketing in the process, the role of a skilled facilitator, and how to make sure vision translates into action.

Guest Bio:
Allison Tivnon has dedicated her career to city and regional planning, partnering with municipalities, DOTs, and regional governments on behalf of urban planners, transportation engineers, economists, and policy analysts. She presents for SMPS, ACEC, and AGC, and is the author of Marketing at Low Tide: How to Recession-Proof Your Marketing Department. She also serves as a City Councilor for the City of Beaverton, Oregon.

Learn more about Allison at AEC Pursuit Strategies or connect with her on LinkedIn.

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Season 3: Episode 7 – Summer Re-Run Interview Coaching

This week on the PSM Show, we’re bringing back one of our most impactful episodes while Deirdre and Damion are out at Amplify AEC.

Whether you lead interview prep or support it behind the scenes, this episode offers a powerful mindset shift: coaching is not about directing or fixing. It’s about creating emotional safety and helping people shine under pressure.

If you’ve ever coached a must-win team or sat through a feedback session that crushed more than it helped, this one’s for you.

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Season 3: Episode 3 – Summer Re-Run Listener Favorite

Deirdre Booth, FSMPS, CPSM and Damion Morris, CPSM are both gearing up for SMPS Amplify, and with Damion serving as one of this year’s conference chairs, we’re giving them a little breathing room this week.

In the meantime, we’re bringing back a listener favorite: “Finding Your Why & Trusting the Process: Rethinking Goals.” Originally released in February, it’s one of our top-performing episodes—and for good reason.

Thank you for listening and please enjoy!

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Season 3: Episode 12 – What Your Website Says Without Saying It

Your firm’s site greets visitors long before a proposal or a handshake. In this episode of the PSM Show, co-hosts Damion Morris and Deirdre Booth sit down with content strategist and copywriter Ben Culbreath to unpack what your homepage is really saying—and why that message may be turning prospects or future hires away.

Ben shares field-tested ways to move a reader from “nice photos” to “let’s talk,” beginning with a simple litmus test—searching for the word you—and a copy layout known as the F pattern. He explains how clear headlines, client-focused language, and specific calls to action guide visitors through services, culture, and career paths without forcing them to hunt for key details.

The conversation covers:
• Positioning your firm through story instead of slogans
• Using client interviews to surface authentic phrases that spark attention
• Showing the how behind your work to add value and context to price discussions
• Turning the careers page into a true recruiting tool that filters fit and boosts retention
• Fresh alternatives to the tired “contact us” button that invite low-pressure conversations

Whether your goal is stronger pursuit support, a more magnetic talent funnel, or copy that simply reads like a human wrote it, Ben’s advice will help your website start better conversations.

Listen now, then run his quick audits to spot exactly where small edits will create a major impact.

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Your Hosts
Deirdre Booth, FSMPS, CPSM

Deirdre Booth, FSMPS, CPSM

President + Lead Strategist, TankGirl Marketing

Founded in 2011, Deirdre Booth is the President + Lead Strategist of TankGirl Marketing. Strategy First, this is where Deirdre lives and breathes. She is always thinking about the bigger picture and how we can move your goals down the battlefield to the win. She is intimately involved in every project, lending her 20 years of AEC marketing experience across the nation.

Deirdre has the unique ability to take high-level ideas and develop solid strategies for success. Whether it is creating and implementing a strategic vision, or digging deep to win a specific project, she ensures the team is always ready for battle with the right strategy to execute the plan. For over 20 years she has focused on business /marketing planning, strategic project pursuits, and supporting firms through the implementation of the tactics needed for success.

Damion Morris, CPSM

Damion Morris, CPSM

Marketing & Communications Manager for PCL Construction

Damion Morris is a creative strategist, marketing leader, and keynote speaker who helps leaders, marketers, and creatives lead with clarity, communicate with depth, and show up authentically.

He serves as Marketing & Communications Manager for PCL Construction’s California Buildings District, the company’s largest and fastest-growing region with more than $1B in annual revenue. His work focuses on translating complex pursuits into clear, compelling stories inside high-pressure environments.

As a speaker and co-host of the PSM Show, one of the AEC industry’s leading marketing podcasts, Damion explores leadership, creativity, and communication through the lens of authenticity. His talks blend strategy and storytelling with insight, humor, and practical perspective.

A Certified Professional Services Marketer (CPSM) and longtime SMPS leader, Damion has served as past president of SMPS Los Angeles and 2025 Program Chair for Amplify AEC. In 2025, he received the Leonardo Award for excellence in marketing leadership and communication.

GUEST HOSTS

Kate Robinette, CPSM

Kate Robinette, CPSM

Partner, GO Strategies

Kate Robinette, CPSM, is a partner at GO Strategies, LLC. Her superpower is combining marketing and business development with people management and leadership. This wild mix unlocks employee engagement, potential, and growth. She is the creative force behind GO Strategies’ Dynamic Workplaces®, turning the same skills that help build meaningful relationships with external customers to improve the employee experience and company culture. Kate helps people work smarter, have more fun, and reach their goals.

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Kathryn Ness, CPSM, CPLC

Kathryn Ness, CPSM, CPLC

Partner, GO Strategies

Kathryn is a partner with GO Strategies, LLC. and brings energy and vitality to her clients that promotes the mission of “making everything about marketing and BD easier.” With 20+ years in the A/E/C industry, Kathryn brings an in-the-trenches perspective on how things work and how things can work better. She is a Certified Professional Life and Work Coach and has been trained as a Working Genius facilitator. Her sense of humor is balanced with a sense of getting the job done. Kathryn has presented at conferences and for SMPS chapters, regional conferences, and other A/E organizations. 

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Hosts Emeriti

David Lecours

David Lecours

Principal, LecoursDesign

David Lecours helps Architecture / Engineering / Construction (A/E/C) firms attract and retain great clients and talent. He is Principal at LecoursDesign, a branding, and digital marketing consultancy.

David has been a TEDx presenter and speaks at conferences worldwide. David is also passionate about surfing, pickleball, and succulents.

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Josh Miles

Josh Miles

Consultant and Fractional CMO

Josh Miles is a brand-obsessed consultant, keynote speaker, and caffeine addict. Josh is the author of Bold Brand 2.0, a veteran of the TEDx stage, and hosts Obsessed Show andPSM.Show podcasts.

Josh is a long-standing advocate for bacon, loves to cook keto, hit the gym, and photograph new places in his travels.

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Frank Lippert, FSMPS, CPSM

Frank Lippert, FSMPS, CPSM

Founder/Partner, GO Strategies

Frank Lippert, FSMPS, CPSM, is the founder/partner of GO Strategies, LLC. He provides strategic pursuit planning, strategic market capture planning, and functional seller/doer training to clients throughout the US. Frank is all about helping teams work more effectively and more efficiently with processes, schedules, and tools that keep A/E/C firms’ business development strategy and marketing efforts on track. He has worked at small, medium, large, and mega-sized engineering companies in his 30 years in the A/E/C industry. He speaks regularly at SMPS, ACEC, WTS, APWA, and SAME conferences. Frank has served as the SMPS Society chapter delegate and Society president. He has been recognized as an SMPS Fellow (FSMPS) and is a Certified Professional Services Marketer (CPSM).  

Frank’s infectious energy, humor, and storytelling makes learning about marketing and business development fun, engaging, and memorable. 

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